16
Jul
09

day two of the Scimitar


Well, the overall design had been approved, so the next step was to get into the details and work out how the ship would open up into a spider.  David Negron Jr was on the show and had worked on Voyager prior to Nemesis.  I was always a fan of David’s work, and I so loved his ability to whip out some awesome ideas in beautiful quick color sketches.  Below are some variations on ideas to get the Scimitar to open up.  There were a lot of ideas that he penciled out and some of which had some wicked hinging of the wings.  The two of us would work off of each other’s concepts, and it was a lot of fun to work with Dave, even though we were in different buildings.  Dave’s work on the Scim was short, and we both did the same with the next ship, the Romulan Valdore.  We worked back and forth to get the big V’s look and details down on paper.  Both of us had big palettes of things to do, and while Dave was working on ship sketches, he was also busy working on the Reman mining complex.  I was doing both Enterprise and Nemesis, as well as Doug Drexler and the rest of the E art depot, so it was one very busy Art department.  Below are a lot of drawings that started to define the intricacies of a very complex  battleship, so sit on back in yer easy chair and enjoy Day 2 of the Reman Scimitar!

tight winged spider concept

tight winged spider concept

this one was my favorite, loved the back of the ship hinging area

this one was my favorite, loved the back of the ship hinging area

a very aggressive idea!!!

a very aggressive idea!!!

A simpler idea where the wings come to gether to make one mighty wepons point

A simpler idea where the wings come to gether to make one mighty wepons point

I loved this spreading Peacock/spider look and especially how the arms arch across the top of the ships front view.

I loved this spreading Peacock/spider look and especially how the arms arch across the top of the ship's front view.

the kite version was cool but didn't fly,,,,Haaa!

the kite version was cool but didn't fly,,,,Haaa!

this was cool and depicts the a similarity to Andy Proberts original idea for his Romulan Warbird from TNG

this was cool and depicts a similarity to Andy Probert's original idea for his Romulan Warbird from TNG

Dave's tight ideas were really cool and would have loved to see some of these realized in CG

Dave's tight ideas were really cool and would have loved to see some of these realized in CG

another great idea

another great idea

here was a 3/4 view with the first of the hull based hinge points and layered wings sections

here was a 3/4 view with the first of the hull based hinge points and layered wings sections

this drawing came from the end result of a little cardboard model built to try and work out the wings without doing a million drawings first

this drawing came from the end result of a little cardboard model built to try and work out the wings without doing a million drawings first

detail of the front of the ship, CG artist Rory McClish over at Digital Domain designed the central hull cannon section and I drew in his designs onto this sketch .

detail of the front of the ship, CG artist Rory McClish over at Digital Domain designed the central hull cannon section and I drew in his designs onto this sketch .

the Thallaron wepon was far more illaborate in the early days and the next two sketches show a radically large weapons bay and focusing system which later were removed for a simpler idea

the Thalaron weapon was far more elaborate in the early days and the next two sketches show a radically large weapons bay and focusing system which later were removed for a simpler idea

exposed wepons bay and thalleron focusing details

exposed wepons bay and thalaron focusing details

a close up of the wepons bay

a close up of the wepons bay

in the end the massive bay became a pair of impulse engine exhaust ports

in the end the massive bay became a pair of impulse engine exhaust ports. the tiny circle shaped detail above the new impulse thrusters is the round window where the Scorpion blasts thru in a later scene.

a later added detail of the silly back up thrusters

and a later added detail of the silly back up thrusters

Some screenshots:

Reman warbird Scimitar, Star Trek Nemesis (47)

Reman warbird Scimitar, Star Trek Nemesis (48)

Reman warbird Scimitar, Star Trek Nemesis (55)

Reman warbird Scimitar, Star Trek Nemesis (58)

Reman warbird Scimitar, Star Trek Nemesis (59)

Reman warbird Scimitar, Star Trek Nemesis (61)

Reman warbird Scimitar, Star Trek Nemesis (62)

Reman warbird Scimitar, Star Trek Nemesis (64)

Reman warbird Scimitar, Star Trek Nemesis (89)


22 Responses to “day two of the Scimitar”


  1. 1 Starship freak
    July 16, 2009 at 8:21 am

    Wow, so many sketches? Lots of original ideas, would love to see the final cgi and of the Valdore as well, and also designs for that warbird.

  2. 3 Starship freak
    July 16, 2009 at 8:39 am

    Loved the homage to Probert…

  3. 5 ety3
    July 16, 2009 at 9:15 am

    Great stuff and I love the design.

    Curious about the Valdore and the Warbird, though: why not use Probert’s Warbird? It was one of Trek’s most beautiful designs. Producers just wanted something new?

  4. 6 johneaves
    July 16, 2009 at 9:20 am

    That was always the case between drawing for the movie versions verses the TV show,,, you got to do bigger and grander for the films,,,,, theoretically anyways

  5. 7 Starship freak
    July 16, 2009 at 9:33 am

    I did see Probert´s version, the vertical one, very nice, but in the end, the TNG warbird is one of my all-time star trek starshipdesign favourites.

  6. 9 Triton
    July 16, 2009 at 10:20 am

    Thanks for sharing these images John. It’s fascinating to see how the design evolved over time. I would have loved to have seen the Weapons Bay concept in the final film.

  7. 10 johneaves
    July 16, 2009 at 10:27 am

    it would have been pretty gnarly to see what the magicians over at DD would have done VFX wise.

  8. 11 JNG
    July 16, 2009 at 11:55 am

    I think some of these earlier ideas were more interesting than what was eventually chosen. I’m impressed with the ones displaying something of the Vulcan-Romulan lineage.

    Thanks for sharing the sketches; it is always interesting to trace the process.

  9. July 16, 2009 at 11:55 am

    I’m really fond of those “big details” like the weapons bay, because they bring a great level of balance to a design: general shape, special structures – and lovely details. And it’s very exciting, when the outer appearance provides an insight into the inner construction.
    Although the Scimitar – as I wrote before – is not one of my favorite ships I like many of its features: The two litle wings on the top look great!

  10. 13 Kevin H. Martin
    July 16, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    “Day of the Scimitar” sounds like one of those espionage/war novels you see in the Tom Clancy section. The kind that used to always have a hammer&sickle or a swastika on the front.

    Or like a WILD WILD WEST episode (were those all called “THE NIGHT OF … “?

  11. 14 luigi
    July 16, 2009 at 12:40 pm

    i love your blog:-)
    i wish you would publish a book, whit al your great drawings!

    greetings from Liechtenstein;-)

  12. 15 Mr. Wilde
    July 16, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    Ooh, I love that exposed weapons bay. Why didn’t that end up in the movie? Had that been the Thaleron generator, the final fight between Picard and his clone could have been much more interesting. Shinzon should have tasted his own medicine, too (e.g. let Picard or Data toss him into the generator).

    The second and third sketch make me wonder… looks like at some point of the production of Star Trek 2009, someone looked at those sketches and said “let’s make the Narada look similar to this!” Did that happen or was the Narada designed completely independently?

  13. 16 DeanneM
    July 16, 2009 at 1:30 pm

    I’m such a doof! I wrote some stuff and then got side tracked before I posted it.😦

    Well, in short, I love, LOVE this week’s Scimitar stuff. The concept stuff from Dave shows some truly monstrous ideas, some of which I like very much. Take “little” Enterprise in the peacock-like drawing; just a little intimidated looking, perhaps.😉

    But I still like the one we got…from Warbirdesque to spideresque, I loved watching that scene!!!

    The window that Picard escapes through is nice see from the whole overall context, which I hadn’t noticed exactly before. Thanks!!

  14. 17 Freak
    July 16, 2009 at 3:03 pm

    very cool to see the evolution of this ship though the different desgins.

    I love the dome with the main weapon within. Would be nice to have seen that.

  15. 18 Praetor
    July 16, 2009 at 3:59 pm

    You know, despite disliking the rather deus ex machina-ish invention of thalaron and some of the other weird ideas about the ship for the movie and focusing solely on the ship itself, I actually really like the Scimitar and the way the wings deploy.

    So, where are the concept drawings for the Valdore?🙂

  16. 19 Matt Boardman
    July 16, 2009 at 6:40 pm

    Ooo! The various stages of the design of this ship are fun to see!

    In the end, I think the final version looks like it’s ready to pounce on some unsuspecting prey!

  17. 20 The Animaniac
    July 17, 2009 at 1:57 am

    Wow, that Concepts are awesome, have long searched for Pictures of the Scimitar like that, definatly one of the next Ships i build in 3D, thanks for sharing!

  18. 21 Jimlad
    July 17, 2009 at 4:04 am

    It reminds me less of a spider with the wings extended, more of a Lionfish (like the one in Picard used to have in fact!) strikingly beautiful but deadly poisonous.

    Y’know – cue gush – your designs are one of the best things about Trek in my opinion. This blog is a proper treat and like a previous poster said, you should definitely think about doing a book Mr. Eaves!

  19. 22 Syd Hughes
    July 17, 2009 at 2:45 pm

    RAMEN WAR VESSEL SCIMITAR!

    I they would’ve been scarier as a race of sentient cup noodles!


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